Media comments on chess

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:03 pm

People are "allowed" to say almost anything.

What some don't like is others objecting to it.
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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Stewart Reuben » Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:00 pm

HEARTBREAK HOTEL on Netflix episode 3
Substantial material about chess, including featuring Gary Lane and his son.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Chris Goodall » Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:11 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:01 pm
Thanks, I hadn't seen that.

It is a long and thoughtful interview, and she is clear that the paragraph you have plucked out describes just one of a variety of plausible reasons.
(She made some other distinctly hedged comments about emotionality where I think she was just spitballing to avoid saying "no, don't be silly".)
You will of course continue to make that interpretation, but I can see not a shred of evidence to support it. Her comments are quite clear and well expounded - if she actually believed the opposite, there was no reason for her to have said what she did.
Check out in which paragraphs she's using simple declarative statements, and in which she's saying "girls tend to think"/"I'm just speculating but I wonder whether"/"sometimes women and men tend to"/"I suspect that"/"to put it simplistically"/"some of the girls are probably lacking"/"I need to do more research". Interviewees from the Confuci-o-sphere aren't known for pushing back against interviewers - it's a "face" thing.
NickFaulks wrote:
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possible fundamental differences between the sexes
Are you using "fundamental" to mean "biological" there? A lot rests on that.
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People are "allowed" to say almost anything.

What some don't like is others objecting to it.
I think that common argument is a touch idealistic, because when freedom of speech HAS been threatened, it's usually by post hoc objections. When people get up in the morning and decide they're going to crack down on free speech today, they do it by putting consequences in place for saying the wrong thing. Not by, say, shoving a sock in your mouth, which would require a lot of socks.
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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by NickFaulks » Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:12 pm

Chris Goodall wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:11 pm
Interviewees from the Confuci-o-sphere aren't known for pushing back against interviewers - it's a "face" thing.
Talking of stereotypes...

Anyway, you can keep doing deep linguistic analysis of her comments to demonstrate that she actually meant the opposite of what she said, I shall continue to take them at face value.
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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Roland Kensdale » Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:30 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:56 pm
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What can I say, other than sigh and put my head in my hands. Bless the Mail...
I think this link may work better.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... sport.html

It was someone's joke originally, but whose?
The background to this saga is in the thread International News\Sinquefield Cup 2022.

No doubt there are many possible ways to cheat, depending on the level of efforts to defeat the cheating. Unfounded allegations and possible suspicions are major issues.

There's probably a general thread on cheating somewhere.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:45 pm

Roland Kensdale wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:30 pm
There's probably a general thread on cheating somewhere.
This was a long one, but there are others.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by JustinHorton » Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:09 pm

Just remembered that there's a brief chess sequence in Week-End (1967) directed by Jean-Luc Godard who died a couple of days ago.

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(I could have sworn I wrote a blog post on this once, but I'm damned if I can find it.)
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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Tim Spanton » Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:31 pm

"If Farmer reaches, that's where the chess match begins."
Cincinnati commentator on tonight's Reds @ Cardinals baseball game, meaning that if the player got to first base, the Reds manager might pinch-hit, ie use a substitute for the next batter, and the Cardinals manager might retaliate by bringing in another pitcher.
As it happened, Farmer ground out, ie he put the ball in play but failed to reach first base before an out was recorded.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by NickFaulks » Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:11 pm

Tim Spanton wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:31 pm
As it happened, Farmer ground out
Grounded out, surely.
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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Tim Spanton » Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:59 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:11 pm
Tim Spanton wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:31 pm
As it happened, Farmer ground out
Grounded out, surely.
Apologies for lapsing into the vernacular - I must have had my baseball cap on the wrong way round

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Paul Habershon » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:14 pm

A rather feeble royal observation tweet:

https://mobile.twitter.com/David_Strath ... 86/photo/1

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Stewart Reuben » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:44 pm

Paul >A rather feeble royal observation tweet:<

Actually the relative power of the queen relative to the king in chess is seldom mentioned.

Just listening to a PEARL BAILEY (a jazz singer) album. The track is called 'I hate men'.
She sings 'I prefer a game of chess'.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:57 pm

Do you know what particular recording that is?
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:15 pm

From "Cracking The Cryptic" Youtube channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIocZZR72Xw

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Stewart Reuben » Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:17 am

Justin, Kevin. You have confused me. Are you referring to my note about Pearl Bailey? If so, it came from a collection of her songs on, The Best Of The Roulette Years ‎(CD, Album,

I forgot to remind you all a couple of days ago that 'Pawn Sacrifice' 2014 about the Fischer-Spassky match of 1972 was due to be shown Monday 19.9. on BBC 2 from 11.15 pm. But was it forgetfulness or prescience? It didn't happen because the Queen's Funeral upset all the scheduling.

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