Chess history trivia

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:00 pm

Yes, well done, Jon.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:15 pm

Lovely report here:

HN Pillsbury vs. MR. Rhoda Bowles

That is from BCM in 1903 (the game was on 29 November 1902).

[The actual game is not on that blog, or my browser is not displaying it. Can anyone post it or link to it? Maybe the problem as well, though that might be more difficult to find.]

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:35 pm

Edward Winter discusses the problem in his feature article on Pillsbury and refers to a problem which was published shortly afterwards and may be the same one:

https://www.chesshistory.com/winter/ext ... ury1.html

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:41 pm

On that Chess History page, Edward Winter mentions that he doesn't know what happened to Pillsbury's wife after his death in 1906. It seems she married again (for the third time) in 1910 and died in 1955, when she was 83. What is interesting is that although she and Pillsbury married in 1901 (after a three year engagement according to some sources), her first, much older, husband, Henry Dubois Southard, didn't die until 1908. I couldn't find any record of a divorce.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Saunders » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:55 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:15 pm

[The actual game is not on that blog, or my browser is not displaying it. Can anyone post it or link to it? Maybe the problem as well, though that might be more difficult to find.]
The game doesn't appear in my browser either (it's quite an old web page - at a guess, it probably used some (Java?) software which modern browsers won't show).

But the game can be found on the (much-derided but sometimes useful) StarBase 4.56 and, more handily, at chessgames.com

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:07 pm

Thank you for finding the game, John.

I wonder if it is possible to calculate whether the Black or White queen covered more squares of the chess board during the game? I am sure a computer program can be written to calculate that (or someone could manually count)? Anyway, I found it interesting that the wives took the role of queens of the opposing armies to the ones 'commanded' by their husbands! Maybe the other way round would have cause marital disharmony? And in passing, the photograph of the two queens gives the 'black' queen as the Red Queen (as the clothes included "crimson velvet"). Lovely bit of history.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Sat Dec 02, 2023 11:31 am

Which player represented Cambridge University against Oxford early in the twentieth century, being Senior Wrangler and later a professor at Pasadena University, California?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sat Dec 02, 2023 12:13 pm

John Townsend wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2023 11:31 am
Which player represented Cambridge University against Oxford early in the twentieth century, being Senior Wrangler and later a professor at Pasadena University, California?
I had not heard of him before. Thank you.

Having read the Wikipedia article on him, that is a really distinguished career in mathematics. Love the description of him that John Saunders at Britbase has quoted (from Bertram Goulding Brown):
He was the most amiable and unworldly of men; and as he walked slowly along, revolving some mathematical problem, he had the look of a slightly surprised angel.
I believe "Pasadena University, California" should be more properly referred to as Caltech (California Institute of Technology)! Though I think the formulation you used was because he joined when it was still known as "Throop College of Technology"?

Even better is the description of him by von Kármán:
[...] a shy, meticulous Englishman [...] He seemed to know everything but did nothing important. I liked him.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Paul Cooksey » Sat Dec 02, 2023 12:20 pm

Black definitely a better mathematician than chess player, but not a terrible game.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Sat Dec 02, 2023 12:25 pm

Well done, Christopher. As you - and now Paul! - have carefully avoided naming him, I think we'll let the problem run on for a while ...

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Gerard Killoran » Sat Dec 02, 2023 12:52 pm

Another game from our hero, where 13. or 14. Bg5 would have kept him in the game.

A 'miserable worm' - Nigel Short

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Sun Dec 03, 2023 10:35 am

Of course, the answer is Harry Bateman, as some of you have already indicated.

Try this one:

Which important international tournament consisted of an all-play-all preliminary stage, after which the first five played each other twice?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Paul Cooksey » Sun Dec 03, 2023 10:54 am

The ones with notable chess are a bit easier!


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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Gerard Killoran » Sun Dec 03, 2023 10:57 am

John Townsend wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2023 10:35 am
Of course, the answer is Harry Bateman, as some of you have already indicated.

Try this one:

Which important international tournament consisted of an all-play-all preliminary stage, after which the first five played each other twice?
St Petersburg 1914

For the record:

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A 'miserable worm' - Nigel Short

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Sun Dec 03, 2023 11:09 am

Thanks to Paul and Gerard. Well done. Take your time! That looks like the famous Lasker - Capablanca encounter.

Have you any games which Bateman won?

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