Who could resist posting the "best game ever played in Hull"? It's to be found at chessgames.com.Christopher Kreuzer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:09 pmMaybe someone can post the consultation game from 1923? Apparently the "best game ever played in Hull".
Chess history trivia
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Thank you, John!
I think G. BARRON is George Barron:
https://mannchess.org.uk/People/Barron,%20George.htm
The Rxe3 combination is nice.
I think G. BARRON is George Barron:
https://mannchess.org.uk/People/Barron,%20George.htm
The Rxe3 combination is nice.
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Who was presented with a valuable antique vase for his performance in a major tournament and immediately sold it?
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I read about that recently, but can't remember where. Wasn't it Ignatz von Kolisch?
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Yes!Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:31 pmI read about that recently, but can't remember where. Wasn't it Ignatz von Kolisch?
Curious minds want to know what the real estate was, and if it was a better investment than the vase!In 1867, 1st prize at a Paris International Tournament was 5000 francs, won by Ignatz von Kolisch. The top four finishers also received a Sevres vase, worth about 5,000 francs, and presented by the Emperor Napoleon III. Kolisch invested his vase in real estate right after the tournament.
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Kolisch is correct.
Christopher, you didn't give the source of your quote, which I believe is incorrect regarding the prizes. There was only one Emperor's Vase. See The Chess Player's Magazine, 1 August 1867, pages 225-227.
Christopher, you didn't give the source of your quote, which I believe is incorrect regarding the prizes. There was only one Emperor's Vase. See The Chess Player's Magazine, 1 August 1867, pages 225-227.
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According to Ignaz Kolisch: The Life and Chess Career by Fabrizio Zavatarelli: "The late Kolisch sold the Sevres vase given by the Emperor Napoleon in the Paris tournament 1867, and bought it back when Baron Kolisch at a sale at the Salle Drouot" (this being a quote from the Christchurch Star, 19th May, 1900, page 7).Christopher Kreuzer wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:44 pmCurious minds want to know what the real estate was, and if it was a better investment than the vase!
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Oh dear. A faux pas there.John Townsend wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:26 pmKolisch is correct.
Christopher, you didn't give the source of your quote, which I believe is incorrect regarding the prizes. There was only one Emperor's Vase. See The Chess Player's Magazine, 1 August 1867, pages 225-227.
https://www.billwallchess.com/articles/prize.htm
Not the best source to have used, clearly!
The shame that I uncritically quoted the first thing I found on the internet and didn't even give my source. Never again!!
(Having said that, even if not correct it can be interesting to track down the origin of the error.)
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Which strong amateur player, who was an early member of St. George's Chess Club and played against Staunton, receiving odds, lived mostly in Paris, and died during the same year as Morphy at the age of 86?
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More names:Christopher Kreuzer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:01 pmThank you, John!
I think G. BARRON is George Barron:
https://mannchess.org.uk/People/Barron,%20George.htm
The Rxe3 combination is nice.
Edward 'Teddy' Hanger
Richard 'Dicky' Bainbridge
H. Williams has eluded me but in trying to track him down, I came across this sad tale.
Hull Daily Mail - Friday 31 December 1948
TREASURER USED CHESS CLUB'S MONEY
FORMER treasurer of East Yorkshire Motor Services Chess Club. William Henry Gray (28), of Grasby-rd., who in Hull today admitted converting the club's finances, £8/8/6, to his own use, heard a member of the club, plead on his behalf, "Please don't send this man to prison."
Gray, formerly a conductor with the EYMS, pleaded guilty to three charges of fraudulently converting 1/- entrusted to him as treasurer of the club. He also asked for a further offence, that of converting the whole of the club's finances to his own use, to be taken into consideration.
He was fined a total of £3.
LOT OF ILLNESS
Insp. Walton said that when the chess club was inaugurated in March of this year, Gray was elected treasurer. It was on his suggestion that the members' subscriptions, to be collected by him, should be paid into his own Post Office saving account.
Some suspicions were aroused in October, and when Gray was seen by Det. Tate he said, "All right, I received the subscriptions from the members and converted them to my own use. I've had a lot of illness in my home and was at my wits end to carry on."
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Thanks Gerard (yes, sad story). Good luck trying to find Mr H. Williams!Gerard Killoran wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:05 amMore names:Christopher Kreuzer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:01 pmThank you, John!
I think G. BARRON is George Barron:
https://mannchess.org.uk/People/Barron,%20George.htm
The Rxe3 combination is nice.
Edward 'Teddy' Hanger
Richard 'Dicky' Bainbridge
H. Williams has eluded me [...]
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Answer: Brooke Greville
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Who, according to Jeremy James on The Master Game, won a saxophone for a brilliancy prize once?
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Aided by the answer given by John above (Brooke Greville), I went and found at least one of the odds game:John Townsend wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 10:51 amWhich strong amateur player, who was an early member of St. George's Chess Club and played against Staunton, receiving odds, lived mostly in Paris, and died during the same year as Morphy at the age of 86?
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=2419734
It looks like White (Brooke Greville) had an extra move and the other condition is "remove Black's f-pawn".
White lost the extra pawn when advancing it too far. Then went pawn grabbing and Black broke through with what looks like an impressive attack. Have no idea how sound Staunton's attack was, and difficult to judge the playing strength of Greville from an odds game.
Some more information on him here:
http://www.edochess.ca/players/p257.html
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Staunton excelled at pawn and two and beat Brooke Greville at those odds, but he lost to him at pawn and move.