Chess history trivia

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Saunders » Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:40 pm

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Maybe someone can post the consultation game from 1923? Apparently the "best game ever played in Hull".
Who could resist posting the "best game ever played in Hull"? It's to be found at chessgames.com.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:01 pm

Thank you, John!

I think G. BARRON is George Barron:

https://mannchess.org.uk/People/Barron,%20George.htm

The Rxe3 combination is nice.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Fri Dec 15, 2023 12:16 pm

Who was presented with a valuable antique vase for his performance in a major tournament and immediately sold it?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:31 pm

I read about that recently, but can't remember where. Wasn't it Ignatz von Kolisch?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:44 pm

Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:
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I read about that recently, but can't remember where. Wasn't it Ignatz von Kolisch?
Yes!
In 1867, 1st prize at a Paris International Tournament was 5000 francs, won by Ignatz von Kolisch. The top four finishers also received a Sevres vase, worth about 5,000 francs, and presented by the Emperor Napoleon III. Kolisch invested his vase in real estate right after the tournament.
Curious minds want to know what the real estate was, and if it was a better investment than the vase!

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:26 pm

Kolisch is correct.

Christopher, you didn't give the source of your quote, which I believe is incorrect regarding the prizes. There was only one Emperor's Vase. See The Chess Player's Magazine, 1 August 1867, pages 225-227.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:26 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
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Curious minds want to know what the real estate was, and if it was a better investment than the vase!
According to Ignaz Kolisch: The Life and Chess Career by Fabrizio Zavatarelli: "The late Kolisch sold the Sevres vase given by the Emperor Napoleon in the Paris tournament 1867, and bought it back when Baron Kolisch at a sale at the Salle Drouot" (this being a quote from the Christchurch Star, 19th May, 1900, page 7).

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:36 pm

John Townsend wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:26 pm
Kolisch is correct.

Christopher, you didn't give the source of your quote, which I believe is incorrect regarding the prizes. There was only one Emperor's Vase. See The Chess Player's Magazine, 1 August 1867, pages 225-227.
Oh dear. A faux pas there.

https://www.billwallchess.com/articles/prize.htm

Not the best source to have used, clearly! :oops: Wikipedia cites this.

The shame that I uncritically quoted the first thing I found on the internet and didn't even give my source. Never again!! :?

(Having said that, even if not correct it can be interesting to track down the origin of the error.)

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Sat Dec 16, 2023 10:51 am

Which strong amateur player, who was an early member of St. George's Chess Club and played against Staunton, receiving odds, lived mostly in Paris, and died during the same year as Morphy at the age of 86?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Gerard Killoran » Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:05 am

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:01 pm
Thank you, John!

I think G. BARRON is George Barron:

https://mannchess.org.uk/People/Barron,%20George.htm

The Rxe3 combination is nice.
More names:

Edward 'Teddy' Hanger

Richard 'Dicky' Bainbridge

H. Williams has eluded me but in trying to track him down, I came across this sad tale.
Hull Daily Mail - Friday 31 December 1948

TREASURER USED CHESS CLUB'S MONEY

FORMER treasurer of East Yorkshire Motor Services Chess Club. William Henry Gray (28), of Grasby-rd., who in Hull today admitted converting the club's finances, £8/8/6, to his own use, heard a member of the club, plead on his behalf, "Please don't send this man to prison."

Gray, formerly a conductor with the EYMS, pleaded guilty to three charges of fraudulently converting 1/- entrusted to him as treasurer of the club. He also asked for a further offence, that of converting the whole of the club's finances to his own use, to be taken into consideration.

He was fined a total of £3.

LOT OF ILLNESS

Insp. Walton said that when the chess club was inaugurated in March of this year, Gray was elected treasurer. It was on his suggestion that the members' subscriptions, to be collected by him, should be paid into his own Post Office saving account.

Some suspicions were aroused in October, and when Gray was seen by Det. Tate he said, "All right, I received the subscriptions from the members and converted them to my own use. I've had a lot of illness in my home and was at my wits end to carry on."
A 'miserable worm' - Nigel Short

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:56 pm

Gerard Killoran wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:05 am
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:01 pm
Thank you, John!

I think G. BARRON is George Barron:

https://mannchess.org.uk/People/Barron,%20George.htm

The Rxe3 combination is nice.
More names:

Edward 'Teddy' Hanger

Richard 'Dicky' Bainbridge

H. Williams has eluded me [...]
Thanks Gerard (yes, sad story). Good luck trying to find Mr H. Williams!

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:57 pm

Answer: Brooke Greville

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by MJMcCready » Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:06 pm

Who, according to Jeremy James on The Master Game, won a saxophone for a brilliancy prize once?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:09 pm

John Townsend wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2023 10:51 am
Which strong amateur player, who was an early member of St. George's Chess Club and played against Staunton, receiving odds, lived mostly in Paris, and died during the same year as Morphy at the age of 86?
Aided by the answer given by John above (Brooke Greville), I went and found at least one of the odds game:

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=2419734

It looks like White (Brooke Greville) had an extra move and the other condition is "remove Black's f-pawn".

White lost the extra pawn when advancing it too far. Then went pawn grabbing and Black broke through with what looks like an impressive attack. Have no idea how sound Staunton's attack was, and difficult to judge the playing strength of Greville from an odds game.

Some more information on him here:

http://www.edochess.ca/players/p257.html

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:56 pm

Staunton excelled at pawn and two and beat Brooke Greville at those odds, but he lost to him at pawn and move.

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