Knocking Pieces Over in Time Trouble

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Knocking Pieces Over in Time Trouble

Post by Ian Thompson » Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:32 am

How many arbiters would intervene and make this, obviously correct, decision when pieces are knocked over and the clock stopped without resetting them? From my observations of this happening, I suspect very few.

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Re: Knocking Pieces Over in Time Trouble

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:06 pm

Yes - he's right.

I recall (maybe a Philips and Drew event many years ago?) Korchnoi knocking a piece over in time-trouble as he hit the clock. He immediately restarted his clock, said something (maybe "sorry" in Russian!), and then replaced the piece and hit the clock again. I was impressed.

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Re: Knocking Pieces Over in Time Trouble

Post by Joey Stewart » Mon Sep 02, 2024 3:33 pm

Sounds totally deserved in that instance, too much internet chess has dulled people's dexterity in moving the pieces over the board.
It also feels like since increments were forced into every event there is a school of thought developing that no one should ever be allowed to lose on time anymore.
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Re: Knocking Pieces Over in Time Trouble

Post by Reg Clucas » Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:57 pm

A related case is when a piece ends up on an unintended square during time trouble. In a rapidplay, my opponent captured one of my pieces, but in his haste to press the clock dropped the piece back on the same square. But he carried on to press the clock anyway, so I was left with my clock running and with a bishop of each colour standing on c6! I claimed an illegal move under 3.10.2 - "A move is illegal when it fails to meet the relevant requirements of Articles 3.1 – 3.9" (in this case 3.1.1). Was I right?

It was academic anyway, because when the arbiter arrived my opponent barefacedly denied what had happened, so the arbiter was unable to take action. Despite this I still won, and rarely have I felt such satisfaction at winning a game.

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Re: Knocking Pieces Over in Time Trouble

Post by Paul McKeown » Thu Sep 05, 2024 9:16 pm

Reg Clucas wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:57 pm
But he carried on to press the clock anyway, so I was left with my clock running and with a bishop of each colour standing on c6!
Two pieces cannot occupy the same square. Therefore, yes, illegal move, in my view.

(I originally wrote that in standard chess, pieces are fermions, not bosons! However that analogy doesn't really work, as I assume that colour would be part of the state of a chess piece, as would the type of the piece, so it would only prevent two pieces of the same type and colour from occupying the same square.)
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