*Global Chess League comes to London October 2024*

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Re: *Global Chess League comes to London October 2024*

Post by Ian Thompson » Sun Oct 06, 2024 10:46 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:06 pm
One suggestion, from Levon Aronian, was for increment to be added after move 60.
Some TV channels are broadcasting the event. If any of those are live broadcasts, then not knowing the latest time by which all games will be over may be problematic. Although obviously not an insurmountable problem, it may put off some broadcasters.

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Re: *Global Chess League comes to London October 2024*

Post by Ian Thompson » Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:40 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2024 10:20 pm
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:06 pm
So there is a mechanism in place should players choose to use it. I must admit, though, I've not enjoyed the games decided solely by time. One suggestion, from Levon Aronian, was for increment to be added after move 60.
Presumably they've got an "unable to win by normal means" clause somewhere in the ruleset.
Possibly not. ChessBase says "the regulations do not mention anything about the draw claim rule", which is correct. The Laws of Chess say the guidelines for claiming draws in this way "shall only be used at an event if their use has been announced beforehand."

The ChessBase article goes on to quote Carlsen saying "This happened after Nihal had made several illegal moves and the arbiter never stepping in - we’re not a serious sport unfortunately". In the clip I saw of the end of the game it looked like six of one and half-a-dozen of the other to me with both players moving and pressing the clock while pieces were knocked over or not properly on squares. I, too, wondered where the arbiter was.

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Re: *Global Chess League comes to London October 2024*

Post by Graham Borrowdale » Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:50 am

Ian Thompson wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:40 am
Carlsen saying "This happened after Nihal had made several illegal moves and the arbiter never stepping in - we’re not a serious sport unfortunately".
I can understand Carlsen saying that, but I don’t think this is a serious event; lots of money at stake, yes, but not a serious sporting event. As for the arbiters, I am sure they are not paid a lot of money, and you get what you pay for.

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Re: *Global Chess League comes to London October 2024*

Post by Ian Thompson » Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:25 am

Graham Borrowdale wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:50 am
Ian Thompson wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:40 am
Carlsen saying "This happened after Nihal had made several illegal moves and the arbiter never stepping in - we’re not a serious sport unfortunately".
I can understand Carlsen saying that, but I don’t think this is a serious event; lots of money at stake, yes, but not a serious sporting event. As for the arbiters, I am sure they are not paid a lot of money, and you get what you pay for.
So what standard of arbiting can you expect for a 10 days event where the arbiters are paid:
  • Chief Arbiter - $3,600
  • Deputy Chief Arbiter - $2,700
  • Match Arbiter - $2,100
The amounts are in the regulations I linked to in my previous post.

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Re: *Global Chess League comes to London October 2024*

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:59 am

Graham Borrowdale wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:50 am
As for the arbiters, I am sure they are not paid a lot of money, and you get what you pay for.
The arbiters are either named or pictured in the chessbase report.

I could suggest that if playing Rapid or Blitz without increments at any stage of the game, perhaps the players should be using electronic input. In other words set up a couple of laptops or tablets in the venue to both play and record the moves. Whether you want the game decided by relative skill at pre-move is another question.

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Re: *Global Chess League comes to London October 2024*

Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:04 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:25 am
Graham Borrowdale wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:50 am
Ian Thompson wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:40 am
Carlsen saying "This happened after Nihal had made several illegal moves and the arbiter never stepping in - we’re not a serious sport unfortunately".
I can understand Carlsen saying that, but I don’t think this is a serious event; lots of money at stake, yes, but not a serious sporting event. As for the arbiters, I am sure they are not paid a lot of money, and you get what you pay for.
So what standard of arbiting can you expect for a 10 days event where the arbiters are paid:
  • Chief Arbiter - $3,600
  • Deputy Chief Arbiter - $2,700
  • Match Arbiter - $2,100
The amounts are in the regulations I linked to in my previous post.
I'm not sure the arbiters can win whatever they do. If they stepped in at every indiscretion eg pressing the clock before picking up misplaced pieces and moving before your opponent has pressed the clock they would no doubt be accused of interfering and hogging the limelight. If they leave it to the players to claim then they can be accused of not intervening. If you play without increment then that is what you get.

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Post by Leonard Barden » Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:23 pm

Malcolm's comment, quoted in the chess.com round five report:

It was totally ridiculous. I reviewed the video in the Appeals Committee meeting. Pieces thrown all over the place, clock hit before the move was complete, he was even standing up at one point. I asked for the arbiter to be explained the basics. We have to do better.

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Re: *Global Chess League comes to London October 2024*

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:20 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:40 am
Carlsen saying "This happened after Nihal had made several illegal moves and the arbiter never stepping in - we’re not a serious sport unfortunately".
I haven't been following the event at all, but guessed correctly from this comment that he wasn't doing very well.
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Re: *Global Chess League comes to London October 2024*

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:25 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:04 pm
If you play without increment then that is what you get.
The discussion could reasonably stop there. The only way for the arbiters to avoid criticism would have been to turn down the invitation.
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Re: *Global Chess League comes to London October 2024*

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:34 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:25 am
So what standard of arbiting can you expect for a 10 days event where the arbiters are paid:
  • Chief Arbiter - $3,600
  • Deputy Chief Arbiter - $2,700
  • Match Arbiter - $2,100
The full list is

Principal Stipend No. Total
Chief Arbiter $3,600 1 $3,600
Deputy Chief Arbiter $2,700 1 $2,700
Fair Play Officer $2,700 1 $2,700
Technical Delegate - Chairman of the Appeals Committee $2,700 1 $2,700
Member of the Appeals Committee $2,100 2 $4,200
Match Arbiter $2,100 1 $2,100

I have never understood why the Appeals Committee get so much in FIDE events - that is to say, I do understand but I don't think it is right!

And what exactly is the Fair Play Officer doing to earn their fee?
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Re: *Global Chess League comes to London October 2024*

Post by Nick Burrows » Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:37 pm

Perhaps it's made the arbiters play without increment too.

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Post by Peter Hornsby » Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:20 pm

Looking back at Saturday, 8 UK based teams played in an online Chess.com arena meeting in person:

https://www.chess.com/tournament/live/a ... 24-3705645

Eton and Alpha Chess played in the semi-final with Alpha Chess prevailing to face-off against Hammersmith Sharks in the over-the-board final:

George Zhao 0-1 Peter Roberson
Rock Yu 0-1 Thomas Rendle
Lion Levedev 0-1 James Moreby
Aditya Mittal 1-0 Veronica Foisor
Dhriti Anand 1-0 Ben Purton
Beni Sisupalan 0-1 Ash Stewart
Madhav Kaushik 0-1 Gaston Franco
Armaan Nilim 0-1 Zain Patel
Hubert Bates 1-0 Kevin McCarthy
Callum Hill 1/2-1/2 Leon Liu

ITV even did a feature on it interviewing the winning captain Thomas Rendle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKRxnIz2fiQ

Well done to everyone who took part!

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Re: *Global Chess League comes to London October 2024*

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:30 pm

A random gathering of chess players: https://x.com/AAMortazavi/status/1844782240993059220

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Re: *Global Chess League comes to London October 2024*

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:36 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:30 pm
A random gathering of chess players: https://x.com/AAMortazavi/status/1844782240993059220
Some random dudes turned up to a poker and chess night at my house. One of them was even mumbling something about a Nobel prize… #chess #NobelPrize
That is funny. Is Demis the one sat next to (to the right of) Ali Mortazavi (who I almost failed to recognise)?

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