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Post by Richard James » Tue Jul 22, 2025 5:58 pm

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Richard,

You said Charles James Fox was the father's name given on her marriage record. You also said she was born in Cavendish Square.

Putting these two clues together, I note a Charles James Fox, Esq., who resided at 27 Mortimer Street, Cavendish Square in 1858, according to Webster's Royal Red Book for January 1858. He was a dental surgeon and was still at that address in 1875.

Have you considered whether Rita could have been his daughter?
Yes, this is him but there's no birth record for Rita (and she's more or less the same age as Margaret) so my best guess is that she is most likely to be Ann, the adopted daughter.

Charles James Fox's family came from Falmouth in Cornwall, also the home town of the problemist Charles Masson Fox, but, having gone back to the 18th century on both lines, I can't find any direct connection.

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Post by John Townsend » Tue Jul 22, 2025 6:15 pm

Did he marry Amelia Eliza Diston, do you know?

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Post by John Townsend » Tue Jul 22, 2025 6:27 pm

If so, we have Ada Amelia Fox, born Marylebone, 1866, mother's maiden name Diston.

Could she be Rita?

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Post by Richard James » Tue Jul 22, 2025 6:33 pm

John Townsend wrote:
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Did he marry Amelia Eliza Diston, do you know?
His wife was Elizabeth Anna Carkreet, an unusual Cornish name: hence Margaret's middle name.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Fox-3886

is a family tree which includes Rita.

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Post by John Townsend » Wed Jul 23, 2025 10:06 am

I don't see a birth registration for Margaret C[arkeet] Fox either. If both she and Rita were born in Cavendish Square, as Richard said earlier, then you would expect them to have been registered in Marylebone district.

Was either of them baptized? (depending on their religious denomination)

A further thought. It seems a coincidence if Rita was adopted and was born in Cavendish Square and it makes one wonder if she was born in the same house, i.e. 27 Mortimer Street.

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Post by Richard James » Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:11 am

We can pick up six Fox/Carkeet children from the census records:

Charles James
Elizabeth Anna
Francis John
Mary Theodora
William Henry
Margaret Carkeet

... along with their adopted daughter Ann M, about the same age as Margaret.

I can only find birth records for Charles, Elizabeth and Mary. It seems that, for whatever reason, the family were neglectful in registering their children's births.

It's quite possible that Ann was the daughter, perhaps illegitimate, of another family member.


I've just found this, from an online tree run by someone who is, coincidentally, also distantly related to me.

Charles James Fox was amongst the founders of modern dentistry, as one of the first to call for the formation of a national dental association, the development of professional journals and the establishment of dental hospitals and schools. He set the second dental dispensary in England, the London Dental Dispensary founded on 20.2.1855. He was a Quaker, the son and grandson of doctors and followed an uncle and four cousins into dentistry. He was only 25 when he set up the dispensary at 44 Clarence Gardens, Regent's Park, initially ran at his own expense, “to assist the poor in the preservation of their teeth, and to extend to them such advantages, resulting from timely dental aid, as have hitherto been almost exclusively enjoyed by the better classes of society.” In 1866, when a dentist was accused of assault for administering chloroform to extract teeth, “feeling an injustice had been done, Mr Charles James Fox, dentist, with the concurrence of many leading practitioners, convened a meeting which passed a resolution expressing sympathy and declaring that actions of this nature were calculated to embarrass every practitioner. The meeting appointed a committee, whose report was received yesterday. The chairman commented upon the erroneous notions entertained by the public and even by the less experienced practitioners respecting the administration of Chloroform. Several gentlemen declared it was a public calamity that that it should be supposed that charity on the part of medical men was practiced with ulterior motives.” He published in Transactions of the Orthodontic Society London “On the application of a hydraulic press for swaging gold plates in 1860, “On the position of dental surgery as a profession” in 1870 and “a Few words on the extraction of teeth” in 1871. He played an important role leading up to the Acts of 1870 that gave recognition to dentistry’s claim to be a profession. In 1861 Charles lived at Cavendish Square, Marylebone with his wife, their children, brother in law William and his wife's nephew Charles Price who was a dental assistant, a visitor, a medical student, a surgery maid, a housemaid, a nurse and a cook.

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Post by Gerard Killoran » Fri Aug 01, 2025 7:56 am

Two games from the Southern Counties Congress Salisbury, 12-20 September 1898

The first is assumed from this introduction in the Salisbury and Winchester Journal - Saturday 24
September 1898 p.8
The championship contest, which was finished on Monday night, was productive of some more good games, one of the best being that between Blake and Bellingham which, being won by the former, enabled him to tie for first place with Ward. Appended are the first 34 moves in this game, which was prolonged to 74 moves:—


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Post by John Saunders » Fri Aug 01, 2025 5:58 pm

Thanks, Gerard. I've added those two games to the collection.

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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by MJMcCready » Tue Aug 05, 2025 1:19 am

John Saunders wrote:
Fri Aug 01, 2025 5:58 pm
Thanks, Gerard. I've added those two games to the collection.

1898 Southern Counties' Congress, Salisbury
And thanks for documenting the congress, great addition.

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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Tue Aug 05, 2025 9:40 am

"Charles James Fox was amongst the founders of modern dentistry"

Was he related to the 18th Century politician of the same name?

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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by Richard James » Tue Aug 05, 2025 10:49 am

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Tue Aug 05, 2025 9:40 am
"Charles James Fox was amongst the founders of modern dentistry"

Was he related to the 18th Century politician of the same name?
No - but he was distantly related to the problemist Charles Masson Fox.

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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Tue Aug 05, 2025 1:34 pm

Thanks Richard - I knew you would know!

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Post by Geoff Chandler » Fri Aug 22, 2025 4:26 pm

HI John,

The 1945 Oxford v Bletchley Park match. https://www.saund.org.uk/britbase/pgn/1 ... 44corfield

There is the score of another game from this match given in CHESS. it was given on the cover of CHESS March 1945,(vol 10, 114) under the banner 'Short and Sweet.' stating that it came from the Oxford v Bletchley Park match detailed in the previous issue.

1.P-K4 P-K4 2.N-KB3 N-Qb3 3.B-B4 B-Q2 (sic) adding Black resigned after White's next move because they are losing their Queen.

In the following Issue April 1945 (I have taken a picture of it but annoyingly I have left out the page number) it is titled 'Correction' the correct score is given, I'll give it in algebraic 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 and here;



Black played 6...Be2 7.Nxf7 and resigned. In both cases no names are given. It's a NN v NN game.

It appears the picture on Britbase is from CHESS (they spell Crosfield ,Crossfield, BCM spell it 'Corfield') there are 23 players in the picture, so I assume it was DR. M.J.S. Dewar who brought along his camera and took the picture. (or was it?)

Of course I'm wondering why CHESS deliberately published a set of bogus moves on it's front page right after showing the pictures and names of the top secret Bletchley Park crew.
Was that game really played in that match - if so who played it? How come CHESS and BCM both differ in misspelling Crosfield and where is Dewer? Subterfuge is afoot.

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Post by John Saunders » Sun Aug 24, 2025 12:47 pm

Thanks a lot, Geoff.

I've now added the anonymous game to the record at the BritBase record of the December 1944 match between Oxford University and the so-called Bletchley Chess Club.

I'm not surprised the names of the players were suppressed as the black player wouldn't want to be remembered for such a fiasco. If he had been a Bletchley Park codebreaker, you'd be wondering how on earth the Allies ever won the war, and if he had been an Oxford University student, how on earth did he get in?

Crosfield was definitely spelled Crosfield, despite what the two mags printed (neither was infallible). I researched him and wrote a mini-biography some time ago. I hope he wasn't "Mr Be7??" though, as bottom board and losing with Black, he must rank as our prime suspect. There is a tiny bit of circumstantial evidence: he later became Deputy Head of the Information Section, HM Treasury, where one imagines a key skill would be the ability to (ahem) control the flow of information. A skill, perhaps, that he learnt at Oxford?
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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Sun Aug 24, 2025 10:30 pm

"If he had been a Bletchley Park codebreaker, you'd be wondering how on earth the Allies ever won the war, "

Was the team entirely comprised of code-breakers though? He might have been there in some other role. And of the code-breakers, Turing was not as eminent a player as Alexander etc., although I suspect he wasn't as weak as some people have made out.

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