London Central YMCA (aka CentYMCA) Chess Club

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Re: London Central YMCA (aka CentYMCA) Chess Club

Post by George Szaszvari » Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:09 pm

Malcolm Clarke wrote:I do not know whether it is any help to George Szaszvari in relation to his recent enquiry about Paul Griffiths, but I did notice that there was a Paul Griffiths who posted 10 times on the forum last year, and as three of them related to the BUCA championships there must be a good possibility it is the same person.
Thanx Malcolm, that's most likely him, and Paul will post here if he is so inclined,
but not everyone feels the need to look back like we do. Reminiscing is more typical
of boring old farts in the sunsets of their lives, and even then some of our own age
group are shy about such things... perhaps a relaxed pub atmosphere with a few
(or quite a few) pints would be a better "forum" ;0)

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Re: London Central YMCA (aka CentYMCA) Chess Club

Post by George Szaszvari » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:48 pm

George Szaszvari wrote: I just learned of Pierre Lunais' passing. That guy was a big part of my life for quite a few years.
Another Frenchman at YMCA in the later years, was, of course, Dominic Conterno. I see he is on some
facebooks, so is presumably still around in England. Pierre was able to practice his mother tongue with
Dominic at the club.

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Re: London Central YMCA (aka CentYMCA) Chess Club

Post by Dominique Conterno » Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:32 am

Hi George, yes you are right I am still living in the UK. I have had a 10 year break from chess due to work and family commitments, starting at the time of the club move to Barbican, but I have been fairly active both in OTB and correspondence chess for the last ten years. I have had contacts in the last few years with John Upham, Andrew Martin, Daryl Taylor, Paul Georghiou, Cathy Forbes (Warwick), Robert Kane, Mike Wills, Ray Cannon and Nigel Sharp.
The years at CENTYMCA were some of my best chess years. Having not only played in several teams there from 1976 till its closure, but also having captained the London League 2nd Division for several years, the Middlesex League premier division (I think) for a year and also having held the club treasurer position for a year. Needless to say that all of these bring back some very found memories to me. I am saddened that with the passing of time, a few old friends (Pierre, Mike, …) are no more with us, may they rest in peace.
I am now playing for two chess clubs in Northampton and for one of them I am its webmaster (http://www.chessmates.moonfruit.com). There is also a Facebook group for this club, called ‘Northampton Chessmates Chess Club’ and I invite all of my CENTYMCA friends to join it.

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Re: London Central YMCA (aka CentYMCA) Chess Club

Post by George Szaszvari » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:59 pm

Dominique Conterno wrote:Hi George, yes you are right I am still living in the UK. I have had a 10 year break from chess due to work and family commitments, starting at the time of the club move to Barbican, but I have been fairly active both in OTB and correspondence chess for the last ten years. I have had contacts in the last few years with John Upham, Andrew Martin, Daryl Taylor, Paul Georghiou, Cathy Forbes (Warwick), Robert Kane, Mike Wills, Ray Cannon and Nigel Sharp.
The years at CENTYMCA were some of my best chess years. Having not only played in several teams there from 1976 till its closure, but also having captained the London League 2nd Division for several years, the Middlesex League premier division (I think) for a year and also having held the club treasurer position for a year. Needless to say that all of these bring back some very found memories to me. I am saddened that with the passing of time, a few old friends (Pierre, Mike, …) are no more with us, may they rest in peace.
I am now playing for two chess clubs in Northampton and for one of them I am its webmaster (http://www.chessmates.moonfruit.com). There is also a Facebook group for this club, called ‘Northampton Chessmates Chess Club’ and I invite all of my CENTYMCA friends to join it.
Good to hear that you're still involved and keeping well. I recall that you were delving into the works of Young, the
major and minor tactics of chess, and how those researches brought the game alive for you. The one who did the
same thing for me was Emanuel Lasker and his writings, and the one who introduced me to Lasker was David Murphy,
an ex-Cambridge University student. Oddly enough, David Murphy's new neighbor later on, somewhere in suburbia
south of London, was one Vernon Kirby, Fleet Street cartoonist and my ex-Bayswater buddy. They were apparently
in a secondhand bookshop looking at chess books and struck up a conversation. We got together a few times after
that but it wasn't long before David and I were attending Vernon's funeral (lung cancer got him.) Anyway, before that
I had gone to work in West Germany and had asked David to take over corresponding with my Japanese pen pal I had
at the time, the young son of a professor of philosophy at Hiroshima Universtity. David started learning to play Shogi
(Japanese chess) with this pen pal, eventually to become European Shogi Champion and visited Japan at the invitation
of the Japanese federation.

Incidentally, a couple of other people I know have actually gone to live in Japan permanently, one Richard Sams, an
ex-Cambridge history graduate who hung out with the David Curnow and John C. Pigott crowd in the 70s. In later
years I used to visit Richard (that's RJF Sams) at Mount Pleasant where he worked for some time typesetting chess
and other publications for Graham Hillyard (another chess character to recall) and our favorite place to lunch was
that superb fish & chip shop on Theobald's Road ;0) Richard got into buying and selling Japanese prints and within
a couple of years was speaking fluent Japanese and living in Japan. He visited London after a while (this was the 90s)
and I still have the Japanese fan he left with me. An aikido friend of mine, John Nicholls, married a Japanese lady and
moved to Tokyo and I was able to put him in touch with Richard. They are both still in Japan last I heard (annual Xmas
card and occasional emails from John.)

BTW Richard Sams was a tough competitor and great at picking holes in one's chess illusions. For example, by 1971-2
I started playing this variation of the Najdorf Sicilian with black: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5
Nbd7 7.Bc4 Qa5 8.Qd2 e6 9.0-0-0 b5 and now 10.Bb3 is the accepted main continuation, with black playing 10...Bb7,
etc, an obscure line occasionally essayed by Petrosian, Korchnoi and Reshevsky. But a lot of players, apparently
unfamiliar with the details of the line, would jump into the deep end with either 10.Bxe6 (which is insufficient) or more
often 10.Bd5!? when 10...b4! must be played (10...exd5 is not a good idea as Ray Cannon used to like to demonstrate)
and I won a few games with this whole thing typically going 11.Bxa8 bxc3 with an apparently crushing position for black,
white playing Nb3 and black going ...Qa3+ followed by ...Nb6 to a4, or ...Nc5 is possible, while ...Nxe4 is also in the air.
Try putting these positions on today's Fritz and you will find moves for white, as Richard did, much to my consternation,
long before Fritz existed, that keep the game complicated and alive for white! Another club player who successfully used
this line to garner points as black was Mick (surname?) of Streatham & Brixton (Steve White and Nigel Povah know who
I mean.) Mick and I both won on the black side when Nigel invited John Nunn to give a simul at S & B (Nunn did the
10. Bd5 thing against me, but played more solidly against Mick yet got outplayed.) Nunn asked us about the line since
he wasn't familiar with it's details!

Aah yes, a young Paul Georghiu was another YMCA regular in the last years of the club. Sorry to hear that Mike Wills
passed on... the way people were posting here recently, I guess most thought he was still around. RIP. The London
CentYMCA Chess Club could well have been called the Mike Wills Chess Club. One amusing incident I'd just like to relay
there was at the Karpov v YMCA simul in 1972. Karpov was taking the chess world by storm at that time and the number
of strong club players lining up to play him was impressive. Moreover, Karpov was more than willing to answer general
questions posed before the start of the simul, Mike Wills standing out there with Karpov in the middle of the floor
interpreting (Karpov spoke some English but was not yet fluent enough, and Mike's Russian was pretty good). There
were a number of routine questions and answers about chess, etc, before Irwin Lipnowski, a strong player visiting from
Canada, keen to participate in the simul, decided that the proceedings were far too polite and inconsequential, and
quickly rambled out a completely inappropriate and embarrassing question about current Soviet politics and East-West
relations, causing a minor uproar with much giggling and Karpov gesticulating strongly to stop even before Lipnowski
had finished. (Youngsters not familiar with the paranoia of people living in Soviet bloc countries at that time need
to talk to some older souls who can explain it.) The expression of shock and disbelief on Mike Wills' face was such
a picture it has always brought on a smile whenever I'm reminded of that moment. Jimmy Adams at the time said
something about Lipnowski having had a few drinks beforehand... figures. Anyway, things got back on track and the
simul soon got under way, with Lipnowski participating, his Pirc/Modern Defense duly demolished in one of Kaprov's
better games from that event.

Wow, I'd better stop rambling and run a few errands ;0)

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Re: London Central YMCA (aka CentYMCA) Chess Club

Post by Malcolm Clarke » Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:41 pm

I believe the Mike that Dominique mentions as passing on is in fact Michael Crewdson. I received an email from Mike Wills two weeks ago, and he has also a facebook page.

Michael/Mike was quite a common first name for players at London Central YMCA when I was there. In addition to Mike Wills and Michael Crewdson we had Michael Janata, Mike Brown, Mike Prettejohn, Mike Cresswell, Mike Haslinger, Mike Mozourous and Michael Donnan.

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Re: London Central YMCA (aka CentYMCA) Chess Club

Post by John Upham » Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:44 pm

Malcolm Clarke wrote: Michael/Mike was quite a common first name for players at London Central YMCA when I was there. In addition to Mike Wills and Michael Crewdson we had Michael Janata, Mike Brown, Mike Prettejohn, Mike Cresswell, Mike Haslinger, Mike Mozourous and Michael Donnan.
and Mike Haque
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Re: London Central YMCA (aka CentYMCA) Chess Club

Post by Daryl Taylor » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:27 pm

:D Reports of my demise are premature. :D

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Re: London Central YMCA (aka CentYMCA) Chess Club

Post by Malcolm Clarke » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:47 pm

John - I believe you joined London Central YMCA three years before I did, and left three years before I did, and one of the main events when I was there was the Mike Haque memorial tournament, at which I believe one of the Michael's (Janata) first came to our attention as a strong player.

I am not actually sure when Mike Haque passed away, but am pretty sure that it was either before I joined the club, or in my first season.

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Re: London Central YMCA (aka CentYMCA) Chess Club

Post by George Szaszvari » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:17 pm

Malcolm Clarke wrote:I believe the Mike that Dominique mentions as passing on is in fact Michael Crewdson. I received an email from Mike Wills two weeks ago, and he has also a facebook page.

Michael/Mike was quite a common first name for players at London Central YMCA when I was there. In addition to Mike Wills and Michael Crewdson we had Michael Janata, Mike Brown, Mike Prettejohn, Mike Cresswell, Mike Haslinger, Mike Mozourous and Michael Donnan.
Mea culpa. Thank you for the clarification and apologies to Mike (!) for the "exaggerated report". I did wonder
and should have checked instead of following the context of mentioned names in the message.

BTW mentioning Mozourous recalls at least one other Greek at the YMCA in the 70s whose name now escapes me.
My travels during 1981-2 took me to Greece for some time, winding up on Crete for a few months, where I visited
the chess club in Chania a few times for some blitz games, bumping into a familiar figure from earlier YMCA days.
He was a Greek national who was coincidentally visiting Crete (a popular holiday destination for Greeks as well as
non-Greeks) at the same time. Chess sure does make the planet a small place!

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Re: London Central YMCA (aka CentYMCA) Chess Club

Post by Daryl Taylor » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:55 pm

Mike died in 1979 or 1980 as I recall. He was well known and liked as a long-standing member not only of the chess club, but of the Central YMCA as a whole. I recall discussing with Mike Wills whether we should state the cause of death in the obituary that Mike wrote for the chess club bulletin. We decided not to do so, and then Geoffrey Palmer promptly announced it in a separate obituary for the Centymca magazine.

The Mike Haque Memorial Tournament was held annually from the following year, giving us two important club tournaments from that time on (the other was the club championship). These events were two-day Swiss tournaments and were always strongly contested. As a player rated between BCF 180 and 194, I could never manage to score more than 3.5 out of 5.

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Re: London Central YMCA (aka CentYMCA) Chess Club

Post by James Pratt » Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:06 pm

The Mike Haque Memorial was held in late February 1981 and I drew with a certain Daryl Taylor in Rd1. It was a sort of Smyslovish Soklosky, with a delayed b4. :oops:

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Re: London Central YMCA (aka CentYMCA) Chess Club

Post by Daryl Taylor » Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:31 pm

The Reti-Smyslov variation.

http://tinyurl.com/RetiSmyslovVariation

I still play that sometimes. :D

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Re: London Central YMCA (aka CentYMCA) Chess Club

Post by James Pratt » Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:45 pm

OK, I quoted Smyslov-Uhlmann in the post mortem much to your amazement :shock:

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Re: London Central YMCA (aka CentYMCA) Chess Club

Post by Daryl Taylor » Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:13 pm

3 b4 comes as a surprise to many opponents, but if Black plays mechanically then White has stolen an important tempo for the Queen's side expansion. The most interesting lines develop when Black mounts an early assault on that exposed b4 pawn.

The Smyslov Uhlman encounter from 1967 is a splendid manoeuvring game, but IMHO White's early e3 has Richard Reti turning gently in his grave. For a purer (and much more famous) interpretation of this system see Reti-Capablanca, New York 1924.

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Re: London Central YMCA (aka CentYMCA) Chess Club

Post by Malcolm Clarke » Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:15 am

The postings by Daryl Taylor and James Pratt confirm that I would never have met Mike Haque. I do however remember reading a note by Mike Wills on the CentYmca chess club noticeboard regarding Mike's death. My recollection of this is fairly vague, but I do remember reading an obituary of someone who was Chess Club President, and recommended that Sasha Kennaway as his successor.

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