Candidates Matches 3rd - 27th May 2011

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Re: Candidates Matches 3rd - 27th May 2011

Post by LozCooper » Sun May 15, 2011 12:56 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:sure but I'm not optimistic of a long struggle right now.
After Grischuk played Qa5 I agree that there's less chance of a long struggle

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Re: Candidates Matches 3rd - 27th May 2011

Post by Ben Purton » Sun May 15, 2011 1:11 pm

I like Qe4 here for kramnik
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Re: Candidates Matches 3rd - 27th May 2011

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun May 15, 2011 1:44 pm

Thx to everyone for not laughing at my Gelfand v kamsky assessment. Actually I hadn't realised that Black was at least temporarily a pawn up at move 17!

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Re: Candidates Matches 3rd - 27th May 2011

Post by LozCooper » Sun May 15, 2011 2:08 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:Thx to everyone for not laughing at my Gelfand v kamsky assessment. Actually I hadn't realised that Black was at least temporarily a pawn up at move 17!
To be fair I was expecting white to be pressing for some time and was surprised to see it had finished so early.

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Re: Candidates Matches 3rd - 27th May 2011

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun May 15, 2011 2:12 pm

not that I am expecting anything other than a draw in Kramnik v Grischuk, but who is it who is nominally better? Could easily be Black, I am thinking.

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Re: Candidates Matches 3rd - 27th May 2011

Post by LozCooper » Sun May 15, 2011 2:16 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:not that I am expecting anything other than a draw in Kramnik v Grischuk, but who is it who is nominally better? Could easily be Black, I am thinking.
It depends if black has a good answer to 17 Ne4 as Qb4 allows Nxf6+ although that may not be the end of the world.

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Re: Candidates Matches 3rd - 27th May 2011

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun May 15, 2011 3:05 pm

I guess it's clearer now that it must be Black who is pressing. (If so) where has White gone wrong?

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Re: Candidates Matches 3rd - 27th May 2011

Post by LozCooper » Sun May 15, 2011 3:07 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:I guess it's clearer now that it must be Black who is pressing. (If so) where has White gone wrong?
Maybe Nxf6+ instead of Qa7 although I think black was active enough to not be in any real danger.

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Re: Candidates Matches 3rd - 27th May 2011

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun May 15, 2011 3:39 pm

trying to work all this out but 26...c3 looks like a blunder to me - why not 26...f5 ?

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Re: Candidates Matches 3rd - 27th May 2011

Post by LozCooper » Sun May 15, 2011 3:50 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:trying to work all this out but 26...c3 looks like a blunder to me - why not 26...f5 ?
I suspect something like Rb1 forcing the queen off the long diagonal and then Qe5+ looks very dangerous

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Re: Candidates Matches 3rd - 27th May 2011

Post by LozCooper » Sun May 15, 2011 3:52 pm

LozCooper wrote:
Jonathan Rogers wrote:trying to work all this out but 26...c3 looks like a blunder to me - why not 26...f5 ?
I suspect something like Rb1 forcing the queen off the long diagonal and then Qe5+ looks very dangerous
Having fun looking at 32 Nf6 Qg2+ 33 Kxf2 Bxf6+ should be some interesting chess up to move 40 looking at grischuk's clock

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Re: Candidates Matches 3rd - 27th May 2011

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun May 15, 2011 4:03 pm

me too. Then (after Bxf6+) a rook exchange on g8, followed by Qg3 seems to win - White wins the exchange and Black cannot force immediate promotion of his c-pawn. So it seems to me that Kramnik could have done this.

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Re: Candidates Matches 3rd - 27th May 2011

Post by LozCooper » Sun May 15, 2011 4:35 pm

Kramnik-Grischuk has ended with perpetual after 44 moves so both matches are level at 2-2 with no decisive games yet. Barring draws in armageddon games tomorrow we are hopefully guaranteed some decisive games tomorrow.

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Re: Candidates Matches 3rd - 27th May 2011

Post by Mick Norris » Mon May 16, 2011 12:24 pm

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Re: Candidates Matches 3rd - 27th May 2011

Post by Phil Neatherway » Mon May 16, 2011 12:45 pm

Gelfand looks like he's grovelling and Kramnik is a pawn down.

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