Anand v Gelfand

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Graham Borrowdale

Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Graham Borrowdale » Tue May 29, 2012 1:45 pm

Acting unwell at work today, tomorrow call in sick
it is worth arranging some time off work to spectate tomorrow...


How many other people would take time off work to watch chess online? Not just this match but any other. I had enough trouble taking time off from gardening during the weekend matches.

Has anyone found a way to see the games later on without first seeing the results? PGN-files always have 1-0 or whatever in the header. I guess I need the equivalent of a chess-sky-box :?

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Adam Ashton » Tue May 29, 2012 1:55 pm

The title of 'world champion' is not imo a title that should be treated lightly. To add your name to such an illustrious list it should be necessary to beat the current world champion in classical chess(not in a rapid play off). If the classical games end in a draw to my mind the match is drawn and any play off not involving further games of classical chess is devaluing the title. So yes I'm all for draw odds given that the days of indefinite matches seem to be long gone.

I would point you towards boxing for a more suitable comparison than football. It's an unwritten rule that you have to 'beat' the champion to win the title. Close fights are generally awarded to the current holder so in effect the holder does have draw odds.

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Paolo Casaschi » Tue May 29, 2012 3:59 pm

Graham Borrowdale wrote:Has anyone found a way to see the games later on without first seeing the results? PGN-files always have 1-0 or whatever in the header. I guess I need the equivalent of a chess-sky-box :?
By far, the best way to follow games is the broadcast from the official site, wonderful commentary, expect Svidler again tomorrow.
For even better enjoyment, connect the laptop to the TV and enjoy on the big screen from the couch :-)

Replay available from here:
http://moscow2012.fide.com/en/vid-archive

If you want to watch the replay after the event without knowing the results you might have to ask a friend/wife to start the replay and switch to fullscreen mode. Obviously avoid all internet chess sites, forums, blogs, all TV news and evening newspapers :-)

John McKenna

Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by John McKenna » Tue May 29, 2012 7:51 pm

What Paolo writes at the end of his post above reminds me of an episode of The Likely Lads that was entitled No Hiding Place and in which the two 'lads' spent all day trying to avoid hearing or seeing the result of a football match because they wanted to watch it that night without knowing the final score. (See the link below for a general explanation of the series.)

www.en.wikipedia.com/wiki/The_Likely_Lads

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Tue May 29, 2012 10:13 pm

Pedants Corner part 94:

The Likely Lads was the original 1960s black and white series.

The episode you refer to was part of its 1970s (colour) successor - Whatever Happened to The Likely Lads? Widely regarded as even better than the original :wink:
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Paul Cooksey

Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Paul Cooksey » Wed May 30, 2012 12:24 am

Twitter:
@MagnusCarlsen wrote:Really looking forward to the tiebreak of #Anand-Gelfand tomorrow. It's like in football, even after a boring 0-0 draw you want to watch ET
@MagnusCarlsen wrote:Seriously though, I don't blame the players for agreeing to all those early draws, it's just appaling that the rules allow them to

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed May 30, 2012 12:39 am

Paul Cooksey wrote:Twitter:
@MagnusCarlsen wrote:Really looking forward to the tiebreak of #Anand-Gelfand tomorrow. It's like in football, even after a boring 0-0 draw you want to watch ET
@MagnusCarlsen wrote:Seriously though, I don't blame the players for agreeing to all those early draws, it's just appaling that the rules allow them to
Not a new problem though. Take a look at the "other" semi final in 1971 between Korchnoi and Petrosian. That style of play was imitated in England as well, to the annoyance of commentators such as Ritson Morry. Fischer would never agree draws in that type of position, witness his destruction of Geller in the 1970 Interzonal. Domestically Tony Miles was more unwilling to take the early draw than Keene or Hartston.

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Geoff Chandler » Wed May 30, 2012 2:11 am

Hi Roger.

By coincidence I reprint in my column a Ritson Morry anti-draw rant from a Nov 1975 BCM
where he reports the spectators were actually booing the GM's for their dull play.

Anand v Gelfand (The Instructive bits.)

http://www.redhotpawn.com/blog/blogread ... postid=102

"in my column..." I'm not sure if it's a blog. We call it a blog but I get paid for it.

Also pics of two chess coasters. These things comes in fours.
I want the full set. Anybody....?

Fischer and draws.
Big Fischer fan but we have to admit he did draw his way to the title
after taking the lead from being in effect 3-0 down.
(One loss, one default and if the match was tied Spassky kept the title.)

I should have won an oscar for my feeling unwell act at work.
At one time I was offered to go home early.
"No, I'll soldier on, I'll see how I feel tomorrow."

Of course sods law states on Thursday I really will be ill.

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed May 30, 2012 2:23 am

Geoff Chandler wrote:By coincidence I reprint in my column a Ritson Morry anti-draw rant from a Nov 1975 BCM
where he reports the spectators were actually booing the GM's for their dull play.
The Alexander Memorial featured notoriously dull play plus a Golombek - Huebner dispute. CHO'D preferred active play, perhaps a better memorial would have been to assemble all the players recruited for GCHQ both in 1939-45 and later. The Official Secrets Act might have been a constraint.

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by John Hickman » Wed May 30, 2012 5:36 am

Chap with the chess pieces there, five rounds rapid.

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Matthew Turner » Wed May 30, 2012 6:48 am

Anyone know when the games start today - I think it is earlier?

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Ian Kingston » Wed May 30, 2012 7:14 am

Matthew Turner wrote:Anyone know when the games start today - I think it is earlier?
ChessBase says 12:00 Moscow time, which is 09:00 in the UK.

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Matthew Turner » Wed May 30, 2012 7:17 am

That tallies with 4am NY time talked about on chessbomb. Many thanks

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Matthew Turner » Wed May 30, 2012 9:00 am

About to start

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Paul McKeown » Wed May 30, 2012 9:22 am

Slight initiative to Gelfand? d3 bishop better placed than d7 bishop, one extra developing move, making d5 pawn slightly more vulnerable than d4-pawn?

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