Accusation against Alejandro Ramirez

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Re: Accusation against Alejandro Ramirez

Post by Mark Howitt » Sun Aug 13, 2023 5:37 pm

I'm pretty sure he wanted to play years ago but couldn't...

I know he has fallen out with Pein...

Shame because his chess book was one of the first I bought and the one my chess students Dean Staveley has borrowed (aka stole but I eventually got another book back ;) ) for two years.

Of course the argument could be made now he is getting older etc but on rating he should still be selected.

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Re: Accusation against Alejandro Ramirez

Post by Ian Thompson » Sun Aug 13, 2023 5:40 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:49 pm
NickFaulks wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:27 pm
Where did she say this, and will her detailed stories be in the same place?
There are suggestions an incident took place at the prizegiving of the 2000 British at Millfield School. A name that's been speculated wasn't playing there. I suppose it's possible he was present for the prize giving.
Sabrina has now corrected herself to say the prize-giving groping incident happened when she was 11, not 13, so that would be sometime between October 1997 and October 1998.

If your assumption that it was at the British Championships is correct, and the GM played in the event, then there are only 11 possible people.

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Re: Accusation against Alejandro Ramirez

Post by Matt Bridgeman » Sun Aug 13, 2023 5:54 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 5:40 pm
Roger de Coverly wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:49 pm
NickFaulks wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:27 pm
Where did she say this, and will her detailed stories be in the same place?
There are suggestions an incident took place at the prizegiving of the 2000 British at Millfield School. A name that's been speculated wasn't playing there. I suppose it's possible he was present for the prize giving.
Sabrina has now corrected herself to say the prize-giving groping incident happened when she was 11, not 13, so that would be sometime between October 1997 and October 1998.

If your assumption that it was at the British Championships is correct, and the GM played in the event, then there are only 11 possible people.
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Re: Accusation against Alejandro Ramirez

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:36 pm

"That Brit Championship in 1998 was STRONG... guess partly because prize money better but happy to hear more on it."

Indeed - anyone know why S&W sponsored the British Championship for several years?
Answer - another murky BCF cover-up, but not relevant to the current disaster.

As soon as I saw comments about a GM with paedophile tendencies, I thought of someone else... (but of course that's based on gossip and rumour.)

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Re: Accusation against Alejandro Ramirez

Post by Mark Howitt » Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:42 pm

I know prize money was £10,000 back in 1998 for first... what was 2nd etc please?

I guess some of these GMs must have got free accommodation.

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Re: Accusation against Alejandro Ramirez

Post by Paul Cooksey » Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:50 pm

Seriously Mark? You are reading this thread and you think that is the important issue?

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Re: Accusation against Alejandro Ramirez

Post by Mark Howitt » Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:54 pm

It's an issue I'm thinking of yes :)

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Re: Accusation against Alejandro Ramirez

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Aug 13, 2023 7:05 pm

Mark Howitt wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:42 pm
I know prize money was £10,000 back in 1998 for first... what was 2nd etc please?

I guess some of these GMs must have got free accommodation.
You could probably find it in contemporary magazines. A special feature of the S&W sposnsorship was that GMs etc had to pay their own way. Or at least that's what was said in public.

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Re: Accusation against Alejandro Ramirez

Post by Mark Howitt » Sun Aug 13, 2023 7:07 pm

Cools well obvs I'm not going to buy any mags- my parents wasted enough money buying my 'Chess'...

But yeah 10,000 back in 1998 for first was decent.

Shame only 5k now!

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Re: Accusation against Alejandro Ramirez

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Sun Aug 13, 2023 7:39 pm

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While the finances of the British Championships are an important issue, a thread about sexual harrassment in chess is not the place to discuss them.
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Re: Accusation against Alejandro Ramirez

Post by Matt Bridgeman » Sun Aug 13, 2023 9:34 pm

I think it was around 6-7 years ago I was told by an ECF official that Sabrina Chevennes was blacklisted sometime earlier by the ECF from any future coaching engagements, such as the ECF Academy, because she had sued the ECF for unpaid fees. Presumably via the small claims court. I’m presuming she would have also been blacklisted from also being selected for the England Woman’s team, although perhaps she had stopped playing seriously by then anyway. Is it true that she was blacklisted effectively?

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Re: Accusation against Alejandro Ramirez

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:12 pm

Matt Bridgeman wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 9:34 pm
I think it was around 6-7 years ago I was told by an ECF official that Sabrina Chevennes was blacklisted sometime earlier by the ECF from any future coaching engagements, such as the ECF Academy, because she had sued the ECF for unpaid fees. Presumably via the small claims court. I’m presuming she would have also been blacklisted from also being selected for the England Woman’s team, although perhaps she had stopped playing seriously by then anyway. Is it true that she was blacklisted effectively?
Not that I know of. She last played for England in the 2015 European Team, her last rated tournament was playing in my team in the 2016 European Club Cup for women in 2016 where she performed well. Her last rated games were in 4NCL in early 2017.

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Re: Accusation against Alejandro Ramirez

Post by Matt Bridgeman » Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:16 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:12 pm
Matt Bridgeman wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 9:34 pm
I think it was around 6-7 years ago I was told by an ECF official that Sabrina Chevennes was blacklisted sometime earlier by the ECF from any future coaching engagements, such as the ECF Academy, because she had sued the ECF for unpaid fees. Presumably via the small claims court. I’m presuming she would have also been blacklisted from also being selected for the England Woman’s team, although perhaps she had stopped playing seriously by then anyway. Is it true that she was blacklisted effectively?
Not that I know of. She last played for England in the 2015 European Team, her last rated tournament was playing in my team in the 2016 European Club Cup for women in 2016 where she performed well. Her last rated games were in 4NCL in early 2017.
Perhaps it was just limited to England junior coaching for tournaments and the ECF Academy?

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Re: Accusation against Alejandro Ramirez

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:18 pm

Matt Bridgeman wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:16 pm
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:12 pm
Matt Bridgeman wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 9:34 pm
I think it was around 6-7 years ago I was told by an ECF official that Sabrina Chevennes was blacklisted sometime earlier by the ECF from any future coaching engagements, such as the ECF Academy, because she had sued the ECF for unpaid fees. Presumably via the small claims court. I’m presuming she would have also been blacklisted from also being selected for the England Woman’s team, although perhaps she had stopped playing seriously by then anyway. Is it true that she was blacklisted effectively?
Not that I know of. She last played for England in the 2015 European Team, her last rated tournament was playing in my team in the 2016 European Club Cup for women in 2016 where she performed well. Her last rated games were in 4NCL in early 2017.
Perhaps it was just limited to England junior coaching for tournaments and the ECF Academy?
I wouldn't know as my involvement with the ECF in any official capacity ended in October 2014. Maybe ask the ECF official who made the original claim?

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Re: Accusation against Alejandro Ramirez

Post by Mark Howitt » Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:19 pm

Geees...

The hidden world of chess ;)

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